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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://blog.archny.org/index.php/preserving-our-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-29779</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 23:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony Adams writes: &quot;Can you really expect the American Catholic to differentiate between what the Church can and can’t change?&quot; That depends on how old he or she is, Tony. If they were &quot;educated&quot; after the 1960&#039;s, then no, I certainly don&#039;t expect them to be able to differentiate, because a vital part of that &quot;differentiation&quot; process is knowing what the Church teaches in the first place. They don&#039;t have a clue. As for myself, I was taught my catechism starting in 1st grade in 1961. I can &quot;differentiate&quot; very well, thank God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony Adams writes: &#8220;Can you really expect the American Catholic to differentiate between what the Church can and can’t change?&#8221; That depends on how old he or she is, Tony. If they were &#8220;educated&#8221; after the 1960&#8242;s, then no, I certainly don&#8217;t expect them to be able to differentiate, because a vital part of that &#8220;differentiation&#8221; process is knowing what the Church teaches in the first place. They don&#8217;t have a clue. As for myself, I was taught my catechism starting in 1st grade in 1961. I can &#8220;differentiate&#8221; very well, thank God.</p>
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		<title>By: Brantly Millegan</title>
		<link>http://blog.archny.org/index.php/preserving-our-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-29613</link>
		<dc:creator>Brantly Millegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 19:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog post here. Very well said, Bishop. thank you very much for speaking the truth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog post here. Very well said, Bishop. thank you very much for speaking the truth</p>
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		<title>By: ltravis</title>
		<link>http://blog.archny.org/index.php/preserving-our-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-29593</link>
		<dc:creator>ltravis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 16:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Archbishop! To me, the profession the baptized make before being received into full communion cuts to the heart of the matter: &quot;I believe and profess all that the holy Catholic Church believes, teaches, and proclaims as revealed by God&quot;. This will always be my conviction and I almost think it would be worthwhile if all the faithful had to profess it when they renew their baptismal promises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Archbishop! To me, the profession the baptized make before being received into full communion cuts to the heart of the matter: &#8220;I believe and profess all that the holy Catholic Church believes, teaches, and proclaims as revealed by God&#8221;. This will always be my conviction and I almost think it would be worthwhile if all the faithful had to profess it when they renew their baptismal promises.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://blog.archny.org/index.php/preserving-our-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-29469</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 18:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I join the others in expressing my happiness at the Archbichop&#039;s words.  May he prosper and go from strength to strength.

If I could only offer this additional thought to His Excellency, it would be that his calling on the reality of authentic tradition to bolster his argument is an excellent and a needed thing, but it might have more resonance if those who are now in Rome would stop breaking with the very traditions they are now calling upon to help them.  The Archbishop - and Rome - have to be honest and face up to the fact that it was their total trashing of tradition that began in the late &#039;60s that has brought the Church to the rather miserable state it is in now.  Don&#039;t perceive this as sour grapes, or an attempt to rain on Archbishop Dolan&#039;s parade.  Perceive it, instead, as facing up to the facts.

When the Church starts to bring back the devotions it so heartlessly threw out, when it rescinds some of the more idiotic liturgical abuses it has allowed and encouraged, if it starts to seriously - and I mean SERIOUSLY - discipline wayward clerics, when it begins to govern strongly again, when it faces up to the horrors of Communion in the hand and the truly awful &quot;Ordinary Form&quot; of Mass then and only then will the fine words of Bishops calling upon tradition have some meaning.

But all this is not meant to diminish the value of the Archbishop&#039;s words.  It is only meant to bring back realism to the discussions.  

And I thank His Excellency once again for standing up to the live jackals circling the wounded lion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I join the others in expressing my happiness at the Archbichop&#8217;s words.  May he prosper and go from strength to strength.</p>
<p>If I could only offer this additional thought to His Excellency, it would be that his calling on the reality of authentic tradition to bolster his argument is an excellent and a needed thing, but it might have more resonance if those who are now in Rome would stop breaking with the very traditions they are now calling upon to help them.  The Archbishop &#8211; and Rome &#8211; have to be honest and face up to the fact that it was their total trashing of tradition that began in the late &#8217;60s that has brought the Church to the rather miserable state it is in now.  Don&#8217;t perceive this as sour grapes, or an attempt to rain on Archbishop Dolan&#8217;s parade.  Perceive it, instead, as facing up to the facts.</p>
<p>When the Church starts to bring back the devotions it so heartlessly threw out, when it rescinds some of the more idiotic liturgical abuses it has allowed and encouraged, if it starts to seriously &#8211; and I mean SERIOUSLY &#8211; discipline wayward clerics, when it begins to govern strongly again, when it faces up to the horrors of Communion in the hand and the truly awful &#8220;Ordinary Form&#8221; of Mass then and only then will the fine words of Bishops calling upon tradition have some meaning.</p>
<p>But all this is not meant to diminish the value of the Archbishop&#8217;s words.  It is only meant to bring back realism to the discussions.  </p>
<p>And I thank His Excellency once again for standing up to the live jackals circling the wounded lion.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://blog.archny.org/index.php/preserving-our-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-29385</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 02:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>\I believe your column causes great reason to pause and reflect on the rich tradition of the Catholic Church and its doctrines.\

So when is Rome going to start mandating these \rich traditions\. Seems like the only traditions that are mandated are the ones that started after the Second Vatican Council. Like Altar girls, EMHC, folk music, priest facing people instead of God.  Sex seems to be the big topic in the Roman Catholic Church, instead of the teachings of the Church Fathers. Funny how in Russia the Church is growing, and tradition is not debated. But in the West tradition is all but extinguished. Sorry +Dolan, like most of your fellow western Bishops, and Cardinals, it&#039;s all talk and NO action!!!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>\I believe your column causes great reason to pause and reflect on the rich tradition of the Catholic Church and its doctrines.\</p>
<p>So when is Rome going to start mandating these \rich traditions\. Seems like the only traditions that are mandated are the ones that started after the Second Vatican Council. Like Altar girls, EMHC, folk music, priest facing people instead of God.  Sex seems to be the big topic in the Roman Catholic Church, instead of the teachings of the Church Fathers. Funny how in Russia the Church is growing, and tradition is not debated. But in the West tradition is all but extinguished. Sorry +Dolan, like most of your fellow western Bishops, and Cardinals, it&#8217;s all talk and NO action!!!.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://blog.archny.org/index.php/preserving-our-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-29351</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Archbishop Dolan,

I believe your column causes great reason to pause and reflect on the rich tradition of the Catholic Church and its doctrines. Yet the column fails to acknowledge the theological developments and changes that took place at Vatican II. The changes issued by the ecumenical council were not only associated with &quot;discipline,&quot; but also dealt with deeply theological elements such as ecclesiology, ecumenism, and interreligous relations. To presume that these changes were merely of a &quot;disciplinary&quot; nature is to deny the truly fruitful debates that took place during that momentous period of Catholic history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archbishop Dolan,</p>
<p>I believe your column causes great reason to pause and reflect on the rich tradition of the Catholic Church and its doctrines. Yet the column fails to acknowledge the theological developments and changes that took place at Vatican II. The changes issued by the ecumenical council were not only associated with &#8220;discipline,&#8221; but also dealt with deeply theological elements such as ecclesiology, ecumenism, and interreligous relations. To presume that these changes were merely of a &#8220;disciplinary&#8221; nature is to deny the truly fruitful debates that took place during that momentous period of Catholic history.</p>
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		<title>By: GFFM</title>
		<link>http://blog.archny.org/index.php/preserving-our-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-29312</link>
		<dc:creator>GFFM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 13:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The larger reason why the press especially sees Church teaching as mere policy has to do with their profound ignorance concerning what religion, any religion, actually is. There are half a hand full of journalists at secular newspapers who know how to approach an issue within the Church concerning doctrine, authority, whatever, with any kind of knowledgeable approach. Finally, with all due respect the Archbishop needs to speak out more forcefully on the following issues: the meaning of marriage, and latest policy statement by the Obama administration on making all healthcare providers, Catholic or otherwise, provide artificial birth control under the new health care plan. Secondly, he should speak both as the ordinary of New York as well as the president of he USCCB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The larger reason why the press especially sees Church teaching as mere policy has to do with their profound ignorance concerning what religion, any religion, actually is. There are half a hand full of journalists at secular newspapers who know how to approach an issue within the Church concerning doctrine, authority, whatever, with any kind of knowledgeable approach. Finally, with all due respect the Archbishop needs to speak out more forcefully on the following issues: the meaning of marriage, and latest policy statement by the Obama administration on making all healthcare providers, Catholic or otherwise, provide artificial birth control under the new health care plan. Secondly, he should speak both as the ordinary of New York as well as the president of he USCCB.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Archbishop,
You said:
&quot;One would think that leaders in “the Vatican” occasionally meet to decide what “rules” they should issue or reinforce today, or what changes in procedure they should introduce to guarantee that the Church is more relevant.&quot;

Isn&#039;t that exactly what happens? Wasn&#039;t that the &quot;aggiornamento&quot; of the Second Vatican Council?

Can you really expect the American Catholic to differentiate between what the Church can and can&#039;t change? Many of these Catholics were taught that they could go to hell by eating meat on Friday. That change was a change of &quot;discipline&quot; but the lesson learned was that the pronouncements of bishops are seriously mutable.

I think that those who favor the ordination of women or who favor gay rights assume that someday a pope will say &quot;The Holy Spirit has spoken to me and told me why these things are in line with the tradition and teaching of the Church.&quot; No change in doctrine, just an unfolding of the truth of Jesus Christ in the fullness of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Archbishop,<br />
You said:<br />
&#8220;One would think that leaders in “the Vatican” occasionally meet to decide what “rules” they should issue or reinforce today, or what changes in procedure they should introduce to guarantee that the Church is more relevant.&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that exactly what happens? Wasn&#8217;t that the &#8220;aggiornamento&#8221; of the Second Vatican Council?</p>
<p>Can you really expect the American Catholic to differentiate between what the Church can and can&#8217;t change? Many of these Catholics were taught that they could go to hell by eating meat on Friday. That change was a change of &#8220;discipline&#8221; but the lesson learned was that the pronouncements of bishops are seriously mutable.</p>
<p>I think that those who favor the ordination of women or who favor gay rights assume that someday a pope will say &#8220;The Holy Spirit has spoken to me and told me why these things are in line with the tradition and teaching of the Church.&#8221; No change in doctrine, just an unfolding of the truth of Jesus Christ in the fullness of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Raphael</title>
		<link>http://blog.archny.org/index.php/preserving-our-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-29290</link>
		<dc:creator>Raphael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 10:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>be still my fleeting heart!!!! Your excellency reminds my of the Archbishop of Sydney, Bishop Anthony Fisher. Good to see more Bishops boldly proclaiming the truth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>be still my fleeting heart!!!! Your excellency reminds my of the Archbishop of Sydney, Bishop Anthony Fisher. Good to see more Bishops boldly proclaiming the truth</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://blog.archny.org/index.php/preserving-our-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-29247</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 01:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obvious correction to earlier comment: as long as we do NOT seperate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obvious correction to earlier comment: as long as we do NOT seperate</p>
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