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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your Excellency,
Thank you for this post.  I find it quite disheartening to read my fellow Catholics referring to immigrants as illegal.  To me, the state exists to serve all the people, not just those who arrived earlier or according to some rule which the state wrote.  God gave us a body and placed us on this earth; only He can circumscribe the location we choose to occupy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your Excellency,<br />
Thank you for this post.  I find it quite disheartening to read my fellow Catholics referring to immigrants as illegal.  To me, the state exists to serve all the people, not just those who arrived earlier or according to some rule which the state wrote.  God gave us a body and placed us on this earth; only He can circumscribe the location we choose to occupy.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Fox</title>
		<link>http://blog.archny.org/index.php/subsidiarity-and-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-22926</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 02:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So called \universal healthcare\ is clearly socialism.  And anyone who has ready any encyclicals written before the Second Vatican Council KNOWS that \one can not be a Catholic and a Socialist at the same time\.   The advice and reference to good bishop Sheen is excellent council!

Choosing to not call universal healthcare socialism will not change what it really is.  

It is a good thing to see Catholic bishops say that they are not adhering to any particular party line.  I have come to calling the 2 major parties in our country the \Demicans\ and the \Republocrats\.  I use the terms to identify their eventual philosophical convergence toward Free Masonic values:  Materialism, universalism, and ecumenism which ends up at syncretism!

Alas, I have found that I have lost all trust in the US Bishops (with the exception of a courageous few).  If they can not bring themselves to call predatory homosexuality what it is (and are willing to pay $2 million of our dollars to be told so), then they are likely to hire some \economic experts\ in order to tell them that \universal healthcare\ is not socialism... and that good and valid (though unenforced) immigration laws are some how \anti Catholic\.

And so this is why I tithe not to any diocese, but to religious orders who work for an authentic reform.  I vet carefully where my money goes... this is the responsibility of every Catholic.  Blind giving is not a truly Catholic response.

The best thing that any bishop can do for his flock is to read the encyclicals himself instead of trusting \experts\ to interpret them for him.  Neither party holds the key.  And until the bishops get past their myopic view of the last council and look at ALL the magisterial teaching and all the previous councils... no serious  Catholic will take them seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So called \universal healthcare\ is clearly socialism.  And anyone who has ready any encyclicals written before the Second Vatican Council KNOWS that \one can not be a Catholic and a Socialist at the same time\.   The advice and reference to good bishop Sheen is excellent council!</p>
<p>Choosing to not call universal healthcare socialism will not change what it really is.  </p>
<p>It is a good thing to see Catholic bishops say that they are not adhering to any particular party line.  I have come to calling the 2 major parties in our country the \Demicans\ and the \Republocrats\.  I use the terms to identify their eventual philosophical convergence toward Free Masonic values:  Materialism, universalism, and ecumenism which ends up at syncretism!</p>
<p>Alas, I have found that I have lost all trust in the US Bishops (with the exception of a courageous few).  If they can not bring themselves to call predatory homosexuality what it is (and are willing to pay $2 million of our dollars to be told so), then they are likely to hire some \economic experts\ in order to tell them that \universal healthcare\ is not socialism&#8230; and that good and valid (though unenforced) immigration laws are some how \anti Catholic\.</p>
<p>And so this is why I tithe not to any diocese, but to religious orders who work for an authentic reform.  I vet carefully where my money goes&#8230; this is the responsibility of every Catholic.  Blind giving is not a truly Catholic response.</p>
<p>The best thing that any bishop can do for his flock is to read the encyclicals himself instead of trusting \experts\ to interpret them for him.  Neither party holds the key.  And until the bishops get past their myopic view of the last council and look at ALL the magisterial teaching and all the previous councils&#8230; no serious  Catholic will take them seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika Marie</title>
		<link>http://blog.archny.org/index.php/subsidiarity-and-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-22862</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 18:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cringe when Church leaders &quot;defend workers, speak on behalf of the rights of the undocumented immigrant, and remind government of the moral imperative to protect the poor.&quot; For myself, I cringe not because it makes me mad or disagree or think the Church is opposed to my political ideas. It is mostly b/c I am confused and want more explanation. The topics you listed that polarize people are, in my opinion, too vague. We need specific answers to the specifcs surrounding these topics. I do not ask these questions in anger but in sincerity. I am a lamb that needs some guidance. I have been reading the Comp. of Social Doctrine and other similar Church docs but still can&#039;t wrap my mind around it and keep running into what seem like contradictory statements.

For example, can you answer the question of the above commenter about what you mean by universal health care? And if you don&#039;t answer here, where can I get an answer?
Do you mean government-mandated and government-provided universal health care or just that everyone should have a way to get health care? 

If the Church supports gov&#039;t mandated/provided health care, this seems to go contrary to your definition of subsidiarity: &quot;that is, that the smaller units in our society, such as family, neighborhood, Church, and volunteer organizations, are usually preferable to big government in solving social ills.&quot;
This seems, to me, to contradict what you wrote later...&quot;principle of solidarity, namely, society’s shared duties to one another, especially the poor and struggling . . .&quot; Is this calling for more government to take care of this or on people to do this through their own individual efforts? 
Hoping for a response as I seek the Way, the Truth, and the Life</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cringe when Church leaders &#8220;defend workers, speak on behalf of the rights of the undocumented immigrant, and remind government of the moral imperative to protect the poor.&#8221; For myself, I cringe not because it makes me mad or disagree or think the Church is opposed to my political ideas. It is mostly b/c I am confused and want more explanation. The topics you listed that polarize people are, in my opinion, too vague. We need specific answers to the specifcs surrounding these topics. I do not ask these questions in anger but in sincerity. I am a lamb that needs some guidance. I have been reading the Comp. of Social Doctrine and other similar Church docs but still can&#8217;t wrap my mind around it and keep running into what seem like contradictory statements.</p>
<p>For example, can you answer the question of the above commenter about what you mean by universal health care? And if you don&#8217;t answer here, where can I get an answer?<br />
Do you mean government-mandated and government-provided universal health care or just that everyone should have a way to get health care? </p>
<p>If the Church supports gov&#8217;t mandated/provided health care, this seems to go contrary to your definition of subsidiarity: &#8220;that is, that the smaller units in our society, such as family, neighborhood, Church, and volunteer organizations, are usually preferable to big government in solving social ills.&#8221;<br />
This seems, to me, to contradict what you wrote later&#8230;&#8221;principle of solidarity, namely, society’s shared duties to one another, especially the poor and struggling . . .&#8221; Is this calling for more government to take care of this or on people to do this through their own individual efforts?<br />
Hoping for a response as I seek the Way, the Truth, and the Life</p>
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		<title>By: Irene</title>
		<link>http://blog.archny.org/index.php/subsidiarity-and-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-22786</link>
		<dc:creator>Irene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 13:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Roman Catholic and a member of the Archdiocese of NY.  I support  your efforts and those of Bishops Hubbard &amp; Blaire.   I e-mailed the governor and my federal elected officials letting them know that I endorse the priorities you identified in your letters.  In addition to generally supporting your priorities, I let my elected officials know that I specifically support your efforts on behalf of immigrants.  The Gospels tell us over and over again about our special obligations to the poor and vulnerable; I think Jesus would approve of what you&#039;re doing. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Roman Catholic and a member of the Archdiocese of NY.  I support  your efforts and those of Bishops Hubbard &amp; Blaire.   I e-mailed the governor and my federal elected officials letting them know that I endorse the priorities you identified in your letters.  In addition to generally supporting your priorities, I let my elected officials know that I specifically support your efforts on behalf of immigrants.  The Gospels tell us over and over again about our special obligations to the poor and vulnerable; I think Jesus would approve of what you&#8217;re doing. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Daith de Paore</title>
		<link>http://blog.archny.org/index.php/subsidiarity-and-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-22752</link>
		<dc:creator>Daith de Paore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 23:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A question for the archbishop.Is the lord Jesus interchangeable with Natural Law and the tradition of the Church?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question for the archbishop.Is the lord Jesus interchangeable with Natural Law and the tradition of the Church?</p>
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		<title>By: Slobyskya Rotchikokov</title>
		<link>http://blog.archny.org/index.php/subsidiarity-and-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-22704</link>
		<dc:creator>Slobyskya Rotchikokov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 01:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph D&#039;Hippolito speaks the truth - when Bishops contradict the Catechism, why do they think we should listen? The Catechism states plainly that immigrants MUST obey the laws of the host country; if the y deliberately violate the immigration laws, then why should they receive special treatment? If the Bishops are concerned for the plight of these illegal, why do the Bishops not begin working IN Mexico, to improve the lives of the poor?  And how many of the Bishops are letting illegals live in their homes, paying taxes tp provide free housing, medical care and schooling for them? Are those same Bishops doing anything to help the poor who are native born? 
We all know the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph D&#8217;Hippolito speaks the truth &#8211; when Bishops contradict the Catechism, why do they think we should listen? The Catechism states plainly that immigrants MUST obey the laws of the host country; if the y deliberately violate the immigration laws, then why should they receive special treatment? If the Bishops are concerned for the plight of these illegal, why do the Bishops not begin working IN Mexico, to improve the lives of the poor?  And how many of the Bishops are letting illegals live in their homes, paying taxes tp provide free housing, medical care and schooling for them? Are those same Bishops doing anything to help the poor who are native born?<br />
We all know the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Hughes</title>
		<link>http://blog.archny.org/index.php/subsidiarity-and-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-22668</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 12:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will pray for Archbishop Dolan that the Holy Spirit gives him Wisdom.
Bishop Fulton Sheen had answers to the questions of what a government should do for its people.  I would suggest Archbishop Dolan watch his videos and read his writings.  Bishop Fulton Sheen was truly given Wisdom to see how governments (Socialist and Communist) are man&#039;s creations.  They destroy man.  The United States is embracing socialism and trying to wipe out Holiness.  When our Church leaders embrace socialism over true freedom they embrace an unholy answer to the problem of feeding the poor.  The poor suffer more.  Bishop Fulton Sheen saw this very clearly.  Our political leaders  &quot;ease the sufferings of the poor&quot; so they can coast right into hell.  Welfare with no behavior modification attached.  Satan couldn&#039;t do better himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will pray for Archbishop Dolan that the Holy Spirit gives him Wisdom.<br />
Bishop Fulton Sheen had answers to the questions of what a government should do for its people.  I would suggest Archbishop Dolan watch his videos and read his writings.  Bishop Fulton Sheen was truly given Wisdom to see how governments (Socialist and Communist) are man&#8217;s creations.  They destroy man.  The United States is embracing socialism and trying to wipe out Holiness.  When our Church leaders embrace socialism over true freedom they embrace an unholy answer to the problem of feeding the poor.  The poor suffer more.  Bishop Fulton Sheen saw this very clearly.  Our political leaders  &#8220;ease the sufferings of the poor&#8221; so they can coast right into hell.  Welfare with no behavior modification attached.  Satan couldn&#8217;t do better himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Theophilus</title>
		<link>http://blog.archny.org/index.php/subsidiarity-and-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-22651</link>
		<dc:creator>Theophilus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 05:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government has the power of the sword.  If you disobey them, they can take away your money, your property, your freedom, and even your life.  So taxes are never voluntary.

Charity must be voluntary.  Charity is gift.  Gifts must be given; they cannot be taken by force.  Charity must be freely given, or it is not charity.

These two facts together mean that all governments are incapable of doing charity.  The only money that government has is money which has come from some form of taxation.  This money, having not been freely given, cannot be used to do charity.  So governments are incapable of doing charity.

We should never desire that governments engage in any form of charity.  When we do, we are only deluding ourselves.  We are asking government to forcefully take assets away from one group of people in order to provide benefits to another group.  It is not much different than asking a street mugger to pull another job, and then donate the money to some worthy cause.  It results in theft, and redistribution of stolen goods; it is not charity.

The end never justifies the means.  The end of providing health care and helping the poor is laudable.  But such help must be truly charitable, and therefore it must be truly voluntary.  The means of government force and taxation cannot be justified by the good end of providing charity to those who need it.

The good bishop ought to lobby for government to completely get out of the social services business, so that groups like Catholic Charities can do the job even better.  Not only would the poor be helped more by removing the inefficiency of civil government, but the help and charity would be true charity, and therefore morally good.

I am open to logical arguments to convince me that I am wrong, but in the absence of good logical arguments, I believe the bishop is making a mistake.

Jesus didn&#039;t call for Caesar to care for the sick and poor.  He called for us as individuals to do so.  And that difference makes all the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government has the power of the sword.  If you disobey them, they can take away your money, your property, your freedom, and even your life.  So taxes are never voluntary.</p>
<p>Charity must be voluntary.  Charity is gift.  Gifts must be given; they cannot be taken by force.  Charity must be freely given, or it is not charity.</p>
<p>These two facts together mean that all governments are incapable of doing charity.  The only money that government has is money which has come from some form of taxation.  This money, having not been freely given, cannot be used to do charity.  So governments are incapable of doing charity.</p>
<p>We should never desire that governments engage in any form of charity.  When we do, we are only deluding ourselves.  We are asking government to forcefully take assets away from one group of people in order to provide benefits to another group.  It is not much different than asking a street mugger to pull another job, and then donate the money to some worthy cause.  It results in theft, and redistribution of stolen goods; it is not charity.</p>
<p>The end never justifies the means.  The end of providing health care and helping the poor is laudable.  But such help must be truly charitable, and therefore it must be truly voluntary.  The means of government force and taxation cannot be justified by the good end of providing charity to those who need it.</p>
<p>The good bishop ought to lobby for government to completely get out of the social services business, so that groups like Catholic Charities can do the job even better.  Not only would the poor be helped more by removing the inefficiency of civil government, but the help and charity would be true charity, and therefore morally good.</p>
<p>I am open to logical arguments to convince me that I am wrong, but in the absence of good logical arguments, I believe the bishop is making a mistake.</p>
<p>Jesus didn&#8217;t call for Caesar to care for the sick and poor.  He called for us as individuals to do so.  And that difference makes all the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 04:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty disturbing to hear that Gov. Cuomo is surprised that the Catholic Church isn&#039;t thinking about itself when it calls on government. Is the Governor really that uninformed about the Church? I think you&#039;ll accomplish more by giving him a copy of the Catechism and some serious pastoral intervention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty disturbing to hear that Gov. Cuomo is surprised that the Catholic Church isn&#8217;t thinking about itself when it calls on government. Is the Governor really that uninformed about the Church? I think you&#8217;ll accomplish more by giving him a copy of the Catechism and some serious pastoral intervention.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Roebuck</title>
		<link>http://blog.archny.org/index.php/subsidiarity-and-solidarity/comment-page-1/#comment-22589</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Roebuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 15:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love to read your posts.  I am encouraged by the fearlessness in which you discuss the inner workings of the office that you are faithfully fulfilling.  While I read your story about the way our government twists the church&#039;s message, I was reminded of today&#039;s gospel reading where we are told that since Jesus chose us out of this world, the world will hate us.  I guess if the message you were sending was universally accepted by the world, it would not be His message.  God bless you and all that you do...Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love to read your posts.  I am encouraged by the fearlessness in which you discuss the inner workings of the office that you are faithfully fulfilling.  While I read your story about the way our government twists the church&#8217;s message, I was reminded of today&#8217;s gospel reading where we are told that since Jesus chose us out of this world, the world will hate us.  I guess if the message you were sending was universally accepted by the world, it would not be His message.  God bless you and all that you do&#8230;Keep up the good work!</p>
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